tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5406957897990753480.post5689280251341151067..comments2023-05-20T22:52:15.278+12:00Comments on Oil Shock Horror Probe: Public Receptive to Peak Oil Debate and Policy Ideas - SurveyDenis Tegghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08786000866647551189noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5406957897990753480.post-66397825843575029572011-09-12T11:33:28.294+12:002011-09-12T11:33:28.294+12:00Some of the comments belie the true nature of peak...Some of the comments belie the true nature of peak oil. It's a common falacy that switching to more electricity will be the solution. eg. coal, nuclear etc. This is simply nonsense. Oil is mobile energy on a massive scale. Nothing exists to replace that unless you have seen a 50 ton battery powered CAT truck lately. An oil price shock is when prices spike for a while. Peak oil is a perpetual price spike until demand drops. In the mean time everything goes up in price dramatically. Thats when the "issues" really start. When millions cannot afford to buy the food on offer at the local super market. Normally they don't sit around hoping for better days.... Those that can afford food won't be able to afford anything else. Companies will collapse followed by entire economies. Thank the economists. Grow grow grow. But umm resources are FINITE. In a nutshell. We about 500% over the sustainable population limit for the planet.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5406957897990753480.post-41969269803995454182011-08-22T13:22:14.884+12:002011-08-22T13:22:14.884+12:00I suppose it's unrealistic to expect the Green...I suppose it's unrealistic to expect the Green Party to publicly acknowledge the implications of peak oil - they are just too scary for most people. Scary, that is, for those people who have been conditioned by the advertising industry - aided and abetted by politicians and the media - to think that fulfillment in life comes from consuming.<br />For most people, the cocoon of denial that 'suburbia' has been will become a shroud. The only people with a chance of pulling through will be those who actually prefer simpler, cooperative living to the empty pursuit of material goods.Martin Hansonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5406957897990753480.post-24165322671258889322011-08-12T22:00:16.798+12:002011-08-12T22:00:16.798+12:00The price of coal and other alternatives to oil li...The price of coal and other alternatives to oil like gas, deep sea oil, uranium etc, tend to raise in unison with oil, making their extraction relatively more costly too. When we go back into recession, as now, then lack of capital also means that investment in new fossil fuel extraction is less likely. Witness the reluctance of oil companies to send their drilling rigs to NZ. We are worried about environmental cost, they are worried whether they will get a return on expensive and scarce capital. The biggest danger is that National will panic and use scarce tax dollars to subsidise these irrational projects. Then it is negative in every way possible.Paul Brucehttp://www.wellingtongreens.org.nz/councillors/paul-bruce/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5406957897990753480.post-88330034972282937482011-08-12T16:01:40.647+12:002011-08-12T16:01:40.647+12:00totally agreed - with one caveat - if oil's ...totally agreed - with one caveat - if oil's decline is soon and steep there are some who say that the way we will be forced to live differently will be brutish and harsh.<br /><br />Depends where you sit on the optimism/pessimism scale I suppose.<br /><br />either way the imperative for both peak oil and climate change is that we will have to learn quickly to adapt, conserve and be more efficientDenis Tegghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08786000866647551189noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5406957897990753480.post-71851076022812912232011-08-12T15:08:23.928+12:002011-08-12T15:08:23.928+12:00The greatest risk of peak oil is that it will make...The greatest risk of peak oil is that it will make the wholesale rush to make petroleum products from lignite and other grades of coal will become almost unstoppable, thereby doubling the climate impacts of burning a litre of fuel. We can prolong our use of "oil" for many decades. But eventually we can live - albeit very differently - without oil. We cannot live without a climate.jeanette Fitzsimonsnoreply@blogger.com